I grew up in Belleville, IL.
It's a fairly decent sized town right outside St. Louis.
Growing up I was raised in a pretty strict religious family. I was raised Apostolic Pentecostal.
I loved it.
My parents scrapped the bottom of the barrel and sacrificed so much for me and my sisters to attend a private Pentecostal school.
They made sure we were at church every Sunday, Sunday night and Wednesday night.
We prayed before every meal and every night before bed.
My mother and father were Sunday school teachers, my mom was the Ladies Auxiliary leader and my dad led worship and preached.
Our life revolved around God.
Then one day my parents got the bright idea to move to Florida.
All was fine and well for a short while, but slowly they began to abandon the way of the Lord and follow after the things of this world.
I was 13 when this happened.
From that moment on I tried my best to be a witness to them and continued to pray for them, but they usually didn't want much to do with it.
I, to this day, continue to pray for them.
Sadly they aren't the only ones in my life I have seen walk away from truth.
In fact now, more so then ever, I have seen a rise in people leaving the church and it breaks my heart.
The bible says that in the final days there will be a great falling out. (1 Timothy 4:1)
And that's just it folks, its the final days.
Here recently a man, by the name Rev. Lee Stoneking, came before the members of the United Nations and proclaimed the gospel. The Bible says that in the end times this Gospel will be preached to all nations. (Matthew 24:14)
Its the end time. That's why my heart is broken.
Because there are too many people I know that are not living for God.
Too many!
The question is why?
Well what I hear almost across the board, sadly, is that they are hurt.
Someone offended you?
The one place you are supposed to feel loved is where you felt abandoned, used and hated.
Well, you are not alone.
I've been exactly where you stand. Not just once, not twice, but three times.
I was ostracized, hurt, and taken advantage of.
It doesn't matter what religion you're in, where you go to church, or how high or low you are on the totem pole, you will be hurt.
Why?
"It's a church", you say.
"We are Christians", you say.
"Christians are supposed to love like Jesus loves."
Well they are also people and unfortunately people can be stupid and selfish.
Even pastors....
But here is the thing we aren't supposed to be "Christian" for people.
We are supposed to choose this life for God and God alone.
Believe me, I know from experience, if you live for God and not for people your life will be far less stressful and far more blessed.
People are hypocrites. God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
People hurt you. God heals you.
People offend you. God defends you.
People abandon you. God will never leave your side.
I could go on and on, but one thing I know to be true.
I would have been gone a longgggg time ago if I had based my walk with God off people and their stupidity, but by the grace and ever faithfulness of God, I am still here.
Still in His promises.
Still blessed and highly favored.
Still a child of God and nothing this world has to offer can compare to that!
I apologize on behalf of all the stupid people, but under all that rubble there are people who will love you and there is God who still loves you and whose arms are open wide and are wanting you back. Come back before its too late.
I end with this. You are and will forever be in my prayers.
Much Love,
Ally
Wonderful! God bless you for holding fast!
ReplyDeleteTo the person who said asking Jesus into your heart won't get you into Heaven. PLEASE PLEASE tell me how the THIEF ON THE CROSS GOT THERE?????? Simply repent of your sins. Ask Jesus into your heart believing he was born, died, rose again and is returning for his people. People on their death bed get to heaven! Jesus forgive me!
DeleteThe New Testament didn't begin till Jesus died, as it says in Hebrews 9:14-19. So the thief was still under the Old Testament and Jesus forgave in while he was on earth. After His death you must obey Acts 2:38-41. Its that simple
DeleteI myself am in that same battle feeling as if I am alone. No one cares. I feel like laying down and giving up. I am very much saved. But the wounds just seem to be getting deeper instead of healing. I ask and I ask God to give me direction. And it seems as if theres nothing. Like He doesnt hear. My family and I have been through so much in the past few years. I found myself doin the same as your parents did. But I do not want to be that way. I want to find my purpose and want to serve him. He said if I would put him first all things would be added unto me. Im waiting for that. Waiting for Him.... Thank you for your words. They help more than you know.
Deletethe law and the prophets was untill John I since that time the Kingdom of Heaven has been preached
DeleteAnonymous - I encourage you to study Job. I have also learned in my life that sometimes not hearing from God is our answer. Other times I discover it was a trial or tribulation once I get beyond it and look back. God always shows us in the end. I encourage you to stand strong in your faith. I also encourage you to surround yourself with other Christians. The bible talks about that extensively. Find a new church or a larger church that has life groups and find one that suits you and all members of your family.
DeletePlease read, "The Bait of Satan". It is so appropriate for this blog. It will bless you and help you get through your hurts!
DeleteGreat Sis! Keep holding & pressing on!
ReplyDeleteYeah, I get it.
ReplyDeleteas much as it would please most of my family and home church to come back, I left the UPCI and haven't regret it at all. I love God and still believe in Him, but I refuse to be surrounded by self righteous apostolic robots and stopped caring about people. and it's not just my hometown church. it's every UPC church I've been to, and I've been to over 40. I went to TBC and it was the worst experience I've ever been through. they were the most hateful, stuck up people I've ever met. the teachers set impossible standards and were unkind to any student that didn't come from a "big name preacher" they focused more on how to get the most money out of whatever church you preached at or sang at, and less on actually reaching people. for those reasons, I have no desire to EVER return to an Apostolic church. those people hurt me more than "worldly" people ever did. they judged me, and made me feel terrible about myself like I would never be good enough for their standards. so I'm done. I'm out. I'd rather be loved and accepted by Baptists, than hated and despised by Pentecostals.
DeleteI have been UPC for over 20 years. I am not now but I have no bones with them. I had problems both big and small. I cling to truth, the biblical plan of salvation. David and Saul are prime examples that come to mind. David kept his eyes on God.
DeleteYou are right there are few....like the bible said going make it. The so called church has fallen away. I was raised in it. They say they are in need of nothing like revelation. Just because people can sing or shout or run around the church don't mean anything . if we I put me in it don't have signs following like the apostles they are not in....UPC don't even dress holy holiness is gone .
DeleteI don't go to UPC anymore. I tried for months and no one would ever accept me. I went to several churches and I have never met more judgmental or self righteous people. I love Jesus and still go to church, but just not at UPC.
DeleteIn response to the first comment... What I believe this young lady is trying to say is, the "falling away" of the church was prophesied from ages ago, and its up to us to decide if we want be left behind....
DeleteSee what we fail to understand is that the devil knows us, he is not stupid and most christians take him too lightly. He and his minions have existed for years, hence they know our traits our habits because as time passes generations adopt traits, values and habits from their ancestor. He knows how to attack us individually and collectively and until we understand that, we will continue to fail.
We are so limited to our thinking that we don't understand that Jesus is not limited to a denomination... UPC is not the only church going to heaven.. The body of Christ is diverse and multicultural. I distinctly remember The Word saying not to forsake the fellowship of the brethren (Heb10:25).. When we break from the body we leave ourselves vulnerable to the attacks of the devil.. and thats exactly what he wants.
This Christian walk is a spiritual war, a battle fought on your knees. All Jesus wants is a relationship with you, talk to Jesus about it, The Lord already knew you would face this obstacle.. You need to communicate with Him and let him guide you... For where ever you go you will face obstacles, you will be hurt even by your own flesh and blood.
Lean on Jesus, you don't have to go back to UPC, my church left the organization, so i understand. What I'm saying is don't leave Jesus,as long as u live the word and you have a relationship with God you will be fine and will withstand anything, remember "the gates of hell shall not prevail" over the church..
Many people have been hurt in Churches ( Myself included ). Please remember the parable of the wheat and the tares. The enemy intentionally plants tares in every Church that is a threat to what he is trying to accomplish, and that is to steal, kill and destroy. If we keep our eyes on Jesus, we will not so easily see the short comings of our brothers and sisters. We all desire love and compassion, but often fail to extend the same. " Father Please forgive them as you have forgiven me... ( we are commanded to forgive if we are to be forgiven )and remind us that we are all human, we make mistakes too. "
DeleteA very mature outlook! I'm proud of you and I don't even know you! Keep your focus on God.
ReplyDeleteYou are so right. People are people, we're all human and we all make mistakes - even in "the church." If we learn to forgive, as the Bible tells us, we will survive. If we let bitterness take root and start to grow, it will eat us up from the inside out, and destroy us.
ReplyDeletei could relate. this message could really inspire many souls. keep it up sis. Godbless :)
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i could relate. this message could really inspire many souls. keep it up sis. Godbless :)
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Hold fast Ally. God is coming soon.
ReplyDeleteHello young Sister....God has used you and your hurtful experiences to minister to me this evening. You will never know just how timely this message is. This is satan's biggest weapon in this last day "church people hurt". Thank you and God bless you for your courage. Stay in His truth, you are one of His chosen daughter's with a very special and important message to proclaim in these last hours of time. I will be praying for you. Thank you and God richly bless you.
ReplyDeleteYou do realize some people leave the UPCI, because of bad doctrine. I would say they are probably the best "church" family around. They are great people, it is simple doctrine to a lot of individuals. Do your parents go to any Christian church?
DeleteI agree with you to a certain point. I actually stopped going to a UPCI church for a little while because of some teachings that I did not agree with. It turns out that any other church I went to also had SOME bad doctrine. I'm not sure where God is going to draw the line (I'm not someone who thinks that all other churches are going to hell). What I do know is that I had a mind-blowing, real experience with God, at a UPCI church where I repented, was baptized, and was filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues.
DeleteMay I ask exactly what you consider bad doctrine? Because you will find that we are commanded by God to worship, praise, and live as we do. Further, Acts 2:38-39 is the plan of salvation as given by the Apostle Peter. Simply asking Jeskus into your heart and saying a prayer will not get you eternal life with Jesus. So I am confused by your post.
DeleteNo they do not, but they believe the doctrine, it's bc they were hurt. Plain and simple. If it's bc of doctrine that's something you have to decide for yourself, but I have to say I disagree with you. The doctrine is pretty straight forward and in line with the word and like the second comment on here you find no other experience like the Holy Ghost!
Deletehello stranger i am a stranger too although i attended a upc church and because i continued to wear pants makeup and jewelry i was most damned . i left and i am soo very free. i aam acts 2 vs 38 but LET GOD DO THE WORK god loves us and a bunch of rules and regulations he hates especially if it is causing folks to leave the truth . I am in contact with a lot of folk daily who have been hurt because of there doctrine . i left and i still attend a UPC church that doesn't espouse this . a lot of UPC pastors are not preaching this . THANK GOD .
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DeleteSorry....I don't understand your post about bad doctrine? The Apostolic doctrine is pure Word of God. It might be that you don't agree with the holiness standard and being separate from this world....but it is very clear in God's Word. Come out of this world and be not conformed to it in any way. Is it easy, is it always fun to be different? No...but He said without holiness no man shall see God. Modesty is not popular with this world but it is outstandingly important to God. As far as doctrine....how can you argue with the Apostles doctrine??? It is the doctrine of Jesus Christ. There is no other doctrine and if any man or angel changes it....let him be accursed is what the Word of God says. We are not indoctrinated, we read and obey what His Word says. Acts 2:38, holiness, separation, love etc. and a desire to do it right according to His Word and not go to hell for eternity. It is called obeying Him and not listening to our carnal mind which is an enemy to God.
DeleteYou can't find holiness in your closet. You can find modesty there, but holiness is lived. And usually you can find it coming out of your mouth. For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh.
Deletemy name is Betsy, I was born again Apostolic but now attend UPC (Its the same to me) I've had my spiritual battles but the church was never at fault. 1st- Deut 22:5 A woman shall not wear that which pretaineth to a man neither shall a man put on a woman's garment. They that do are an abomination. If you keep looking for a reason not to follow the word of God the devil will help u find one. I've been hurt but I also know that God wasn't the one that hurt me. It don't matter who hurt u or offend you, their is no reason for disobeying God. That just means that we need to fall on our knees and pray through in the Spirit and as God to remove the bad spirit and fill us with His Holy Spirit. Bc bless is he that offends/is offended in nothing. When the flesh is strong and the spirit is weak within us, offenses come. But you can go to every church in the world and eventually you will find some preacher that will tickle your ear and say just what you been wanting someone to say for so long... that all those standards are foolish and for the birds, and our doctrine is flawed. But you and that person will have to give account to God for those decision. God's word is settled and shall not be changed by no one. All the I don't like this standard and I don't agree with this doctrine sounds like a whole lot of flesh and strong will that don't want to surrender to God's will. Standards keeps us holy/separate from the world and sound doctrine keeps us holy/separate from false religions. Peter and Timothy preached against outward flashiness of jewelry and expensive clothes but encouraged putting on of spiritual fruits( love, joy, compassion, meekness, ect) We as Christians should want to be invisible and Jesus to be ever visible through us. Like King Solomon said anything that doesn't edify the kingdom of God is useless and a vexation of the spirit. Living for God is suppose to be a struggle we left the easy life behind in the world (narrow way vs broad way). And we are not suppose to be lifted up and proud but we have what the world need and that makes a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people...bc He called us out of darkness into His marvelous light. So yes that makes me over joyed and happy. But that does not overshadow the burden I have for the lost...We are at war and the end of it is almost here. Lord keep our heads, eyes, hearts, mind and body ever lifted and lead by You, in Your loving name Jesus Amen
DeleteWOW...That was POWERFUL Betsy....I could feel the Anointing Of God, and I felt my inner most part of me hear God Himself speaking through your comment...Thanks for allowing the Holy Spirit to use you. Be Blessed...<3
DeleteThanks Betsy! Very well said. I needed that!
DeleteGod is always faithful and loves us with an extravagant love. Stay wrapped in His love and continue to share His love by the way you live. Lovingly, Sister Lois Wedl, a Benedictine Sister from St. Joseph, MN
ReplyDeleteI am a backslider. I have a daughter that is 16 and a son that is 14. My daughter recently prayed through, as a matter of fact. She is spending this weekend with her best friend that is also Apostolic Pentecostal. She sent me a text tonight telling me that they went to a youth rally tonight and that she prayed through so hard tonight, that she was still speaking in tongues after it was dismissed. You know, I really thought that I would be the one that would have to get back in church so I can be an example for them. It ends up that she is the one that God wants to use to get me back where I belong. He has been tugging so much and I miss him so much! I cannot talk about him without crying. Please pray for me and my kids!! My name is Candi
ReplyDeleteCandi, don't stop now! Make good on this post, because now the devil is going to fight you. Back in church and prayed through is where we all need to be! I don't personally know you, but love and prayers for you and your family!
DeleteCandi, just answer the Call. He's waiting on you. The most important step is to just do it. I, too, was a backslider for many years until I just had enough. The Lord spoke and I answered. It's been about four years now since I've been back in church and my husband is now sitting along side me. God is Faithful and FULL of mercies. He's so GOOD! I will be praying for you! God bless!
DeleteGod never ceases to amaze me. Praying girlfriend!
DeleteCandi, You must answer God's call TODAY! He is calling you back. I, too, was a backslider for 23 years! There were many times when God was "talking" to me, and I'd say, "Soon, Lord, soon, I'll go back:. Then one night, God gave me a dream that I'll never forget. It was a wake-up call. He showed me in my dream what it would be like if I missed the rapture! It's going on 7 years now since I've come back to God. I thank Him everyday for being patient with me. I shudder to think if He came back before I could go back to Him! He's calling you Candi, and you need to beckon to His call before it's too late! I'll be praying for you! God Bless...
DeleteCandi, your testimony is so touching and inspiring. God bless you and your family.
DeleteCandi the Savior is waiting to enter your heart why don't you let Him come in .there is nothing in this world to keep you apart what is your answer to Him. Time after time He has waited be four and now He is waiting again to see if your willing to open the door O how He wants to come on in
DeletePraying for you Candi to get back in and serve God not people. It is still the best way to live. He is calling because He is coming soon and wishes for no one to be lost. I pray you follow His calling, He loves you and your children.
DeleteJust prayed for you in the mighty name of Jesus, Candi. You don't have to wait. Reach out to him now. He is near to you!
Deletejust move on it don't plan it just up and go to church....I just returning to God as well I know what ur going thru and Its the love of God that leads us to repentance..
DeleteCandi, I think this mayyour first step back to Jesus, take another , talk to Him,listen because He is calling ! Dont,walk ,run! Lol
DeleteHe gave me a call back after me leaving 37 years , I have been back for a year now! I never would have thought I would come back, but after His love surrounded me , there was no keeping me from seeking and finding my way, and He lead me to the church I attend! I really wanted to be in will , not mine anymore, so He lead me there! I am so grateful! So thankful, for his compassion and Mercy!! I will be praying for you! I know you're gonna make it!! Praise the Lord!!
Hello again, it's Candi I wanted to thank you all for your prayers and believing! I prayed through last night at a revival at my home church!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so very happy and wow, a huge weight has been lifted!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank God for his mercies and never leaving me the past 8 or 9 years I lived without him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteGod bless you, Sis. Don't ever give up on your backslidden family. My husband was out of church for almost 9 years. I prayed and cried more times than I can count and many times I got tired or praying about it. My husband finally got back in church a couple months ago. :-)
ReplyDeleteGod bless you for standing up!! God will bless you just with the words you have spoke!!
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing. I know God has used you to touch many people through this post. May God bless you. Keep pressing on this race is almost over..
ReplyDeleteJust WOW!
ReplyDeleteKeep typing what ever God puts on your heart. You are a good vessal, an instrument for Jesus to use.
ReplyDeleteI wish there was a "like" button to click on under so many of the comments and replies. I am so glad you are still standing, Ally. You are a witness before your family every day. To those who have left the truth.....come home! The church is not perfect because it is made up of people. We must forgive and put our focus back on Jesus. Great blog!
ReplyDeleteI understand and appreciate your post...however...some don't choose to leave the church per say. Some make mistakes and their loving pastor tells them they're no longer welcome to attend his church and then "recommends" the leaving saint be watched closely by other pastors, leaving them not really welcome in any local church. Yes, this cause church hurt, but also a much deeper hurt as a pastor is supposed to be our connection to Godly leadership. Some backsliders never wanted to leave the church, some just had a struggle others couldn't handle. The love of truth and God is still there, they just have no where to go.
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry that this has happened!!! Pastors are human too, and unfortunately some do not handle situations the way that they should be handled. I can imagine that hurt is so deep, it troubles my soul to know that pastors can behave this way. But God is still there, and God has the final say! You continue to go to church even if the "pastor" has heard things about you. Continue to live the life and God will be the one to restore you! All of this will be used for your testimony. Holding you in prayer!
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DeleteI went to church for over a year where the pastor and his wife did not like me and there weren't really any other churches to go plus I was always told to not be a church hopper. It's not exactly what your dealing with, but I understand not being wanted and let's be frank it sucks, it's miserable, as if living for God wasn't hard enough then your own pastor goes and makes it that times harder. I don't understand how he could just kick you out that is just unbelievable. Was this in the Upc? Wow! I'm praying for you! I feel like nothing I say will make a difference, but don't let people dictate your walk with God. Know who you are in christ and keep strong in Him. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Keep reminding yourself you're not here for people your for Jesus! God bless!
DeleteI too was an apostolic backslider..... What is it with people....church people of all types have this happen. But people of The Name of Jesus, as real, true, Acts 2:38 believers should know better. But God is so Merciful to us. I was gone from church for 14 yrs. I left by choice, after a divorce. I have been back for 12 yrs now. Not only do we need to repent, get back in church, and be covered by The Blood of Jesus, but we need to " Be about Our Fathers Business. " We need to find out what our purpose is, our calling, our gifts or talents are, and begin to engage ourselves in reaping a Harvest for Jesus Christ in this End Time. Having Faith, without any works, is dead. We know we are not saved by works, but having Faith and doing nothing to further The Kingdom of God is like sitting on a lump, passing time. Drive a van, or bus, teach a class, run a clothing bank, food bank, etc. Me and my wife run a cl.bank at church, we sent out info, tell members, tell friends, etc. Everyone that comes is introduced to the church, ask for prayer, invited to a service, witnessed to, given a tour of church, etc. LETS GET BUSY. We have wasted time doing foolish things backslid, now motivate yourselves to do something, and make up for Lost time.
ReplyDeleteLove to all in Christ Jesus... Let's Do This.
I needed to read this. God has been talking to me in different ways, but people have hurt me (including my family) that I just feel like I can't forgive anymore... I have gone through so much, that being a Pentecost's pastors daughter I never thought I would go through anything. But my life till today has been a horrible mess. I feel like a huge failure. To my kids my parents. I want to be that women that taught Sunday school years ago, and used her talents at church. Thank you for speaking the wrd of god I admire you and please keep me in ure prayers. TEXAS...
ReplyDeleteThis is awesome. You know I never expected this post to reach so many individuals, but God works in mysterious ways.Ma'am it's not too late, God still loves you and still has a plan for your life. Keep praying, be faithful in the small things and God will be there with you to the end. Don't get discouraged and don't let the devil win. I'll be praying for you! God bless ❤
Deleteyou're young....you should know that because someone chooses not to attend a UPCI church does not mean they are not saved, there are millions upon millions of people who love Jesus Christ, who have given their lives to Him-they are all around you...beware the narrow thinking-John saw a multitude that no man could number...continue to seek Him and not an organization and/or a man/men.
ReplyDeleteI agree, I wasn't refering to organizations. I was just saying come back to God. Where ever that may be. I am Pentecostal so the back sliders I know have backslid from a pentecostal church, but there are back sliders from every denomination. I will say this though. I know a lot of "ex pentecostal" folks who backslid (bc someone hurt them) and now go to a different kind of church thinking It'll be different, but the truth is its not about what religion you are. You'll find hurt and offense anywhere you go bc like I stated in my blog churches are made up of people.
Deletehow can you be backslidden if you have never recieved the ACTS 2 VS 38 MESSAGE . there is only one biblical way for salvation . all others ARENOT CORRECT
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DeleteThe UPCI ain't the only oneness org out their. Although I think it is a great org with some great people and I think it might be the biggest. It ain't the only one. However I do believe that the 1 God Acts2:38 Baptism is the only true plan of salvation. This was an excellent blog that unfortunately seems to have been hijacked by UPCI haters. Now in the interest of full discloser I must tell you that I am Male and ran across this because my wife shared it on facebook. I hope Y'All will excuse me cause I felt I had to say this.
DeleteThank you for putting my feelings into words. Nicely done. God bless you, and your writing ministry.
ReplyDeleteVery good message! Thank you for sharing, for encouraging, for declaring, for loving. Our God is so faithful to forgive and to receive back unto Himself the sheep that has strayed!
ReplyDeleteWell said! If people only realized that flesh will fail daily, but God won't. Family hurts us at times, but because they're family & we learn to look past things or move on because we still love them. People at work hurt us, but we need our job, so we learn to move past things. If people would understand that we have to learn to do the same at church. We're at church to worship and please God....not man! We're living in the end times and I'm not going to look to man, but God.
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing your testimony. I too am a backsides. I have recently decided to go back and look forward to doing so tomorrow. But I feel so ashamed. I was raised in an Apostolic Pentecost church. Yet have been in and out so many times. My husband wasn't raised in church and I have friends who weren't either. And I'm ashamed of the example I have been being in and out so many times. Please pray for me that I can be a light to them despite my past mistakes.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was younger I had left the church at one point and then came back and I had friends and family who were not in church who called me a hipocrite, but what they don't understand is that it's not about me changing my mind, it's about God changing my heart. You just do you girl, let God handle the haters!
Delete:-) thank you for your encouraging words. God Bless you.
DeleteI'm so glad to have finally left religion, and follow Jesus only. We just had a church split in our huge organization Christ Gospel Church Inc. So many bad things that have been covered up by the head pastor, but the big one is covering up things done to children and paying them off to keep quiet. It may make the news eventually. Because a lot of us have left and started a new church we are being slandered. I'm not backsliding because I've chosen to go to a different church, yes there is going to be a great falling away, but the Bible also says that in the last days he's going to pour out his spirit. Thank you Jesus for your saving Grace that saved me.
ReplyDeleteI was raised pentecostal and I believe in Acts 2:38. I have the Holy Ghost and strive everyday to live a godly life. I do not consider myself a backslider and I don't believe in the MANMADE standards set by pentecostal churches for how a woman should dress. You said people are backsliding because they are hurt. . Hurt by the same people who have "the truth". Having lived the Pentecostal life for 27 years I have seen more hurt and hypocrisy in the church than out of it. I am working out my own soul salvation with fear and trembling as the bible says. I don't judge others but I think Pentecostals do. If you don't dress like them and go to a pentecostal church then you are a backslider. .I don't believe that and I am not deceived. Pray for those that have truly fallen away but respect those that still live a godly life but don't attend a pentecostal church and dress a certain way. Thank you Jesus for salvation. .I am one of his children. GOD BLESS YOU!
ReplyDeleteI am in some agreement dear but although i left the UPC church i attend the Paw where the UPC actually came from but split due to racism so to speak . all paw churches are more black but they do not preach the holiness stuff. some do but the one i attend doesnot . we know what to wear and if you have the holyghost you will be convicted . a footnote . The pastor who told me who said that god wouldnot use me due to my looks was very instrumental in hurting a lot of women like me. his assistant pastor use to call me and speak filthy sexual things . a lot of the women with dresses on were popping up pregnant on drugs and other things .
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ReplyDeleteIt's interesting to me what each person sees when they read this blog post. I immediately thought of my friends who are chasing after the world. Or a lifestyle of pleasing themselves. And these were dear friends with great ministry and potential in the kingdom of God. They could be great harvesters. But they chose an easier life. Because the life of self-sacrifice isn't beautiful or "sexy." And, Oh how I long to see my friends return!
ReplyDeleteMy experience to those who are praying for friends and loved ones: I prayed for and loved my dad for 10 years waiting and hoping for the day he would again surrender his life to God. Don't ever give up! Never surrender people to the enemy. Fight for them. He has now been back for 4 years. And he reads and prays more than any person I know. He's such a strong godly influence in my life today. Praise God!
Why do you remove every single comment that is not in line with your beliefs? Is it because you're afraid the world will see us non-believers as we are - kind and friendly and normal!
ReplyDeleteNo I deleted hateful post. I can't judge you (although I wasn't) but you can get on here and bash all my beliefs bc it's not what you believe. Where is the logic in that. Where is the kindness in that. I couldn't care less if your pentecostal, baptist, methodist, church of God or whatever church you affiliate with. The point Is that you go! This post isn't about certain beliefs it's about belief in general. It's about loving God. It's about living for him. It's not about people or religion or pentecost
DeleteDear Ally,
ReplyDeleteNot all of us left this particular religion because of the actions of other humans. Some of us have seen the light, so to speak, and opened our minds to ideas and information that were foreign to our upbringing.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away."
I send out good wishes and energy for you too, that one day your logic and sense of reason will prevail.
- a freed soul
Daisy, I whole heartedly agree.
DeleteYou have a very beautiful heart. Your maturity and kindness on this subject is moving. I grew up UPCI but I always questioned so many things, mostly the doctrine and standards in the church. My walk with God was conflicted because I didn't feel one with the things I had been taught. I walked away from the church, in search of what my heart felt was missing. I did walk a few wrong paths and came back a few times, but I still struggled. Then I found my place, not in a Pentecostal church, but a Lutheran church. I do not struggle the way I did in the church I was raised in. I found myself and my relationship with God strengthening to a level I had never imagined.
ReplyDeleteI do understand what you're saying, and respect it, but I don't think my salvation is determined by the church I'm affiliated with. I pray everyone finds what I've found. Whether that's in Pentecostal church or not.
Thank you for sharing your incredible soul.
I am a back slider from UPC and I started going back to church but it's kinda hard to get back to church when there is a person there who goes out of her to make you feel uncomfortable. The church is having a fellowship gathering and this person is in charge of giving out the invites and I am excluded. Sorry but church people can run off people rather than making people feel loved and wanted. I firmly believe in the doctrine but refuse to be a part of a church that makes you feel unwanted. The problem in churches is that people want to pick and choose who the members are.
ReplyDeleteI left the UPC long ago. I too have been burned, but not by the congregation, but by the clergy many, many times. Destroying my family, and my personal relationships. Then one day, I learned to think for myself and read the bible through my own eyes instead through the lens of someone else. Here's somethings that aren't being preached by the UPC.
ReplyDelete1. Tithing, perhaps the most controversial yet irrefutable topic. The early church never (EVER) paid tithes. Tithes were taxes because Israel was a theocracy. Pharisees tithed herbs (despite currency flowing through the Roman territory of Israel) I learned that tithing was reintroduced by the Catholic church and as such, institutional religion gladly adopted as a form of income.
2. Plural Leadership.
Again, the early church never had one sole elder (Pastor in UPC talk) They always had a council of elders, each equal. No one had sole authority unlike the modern church. Which is probably the main reason why we see so much corruption in the church today. No checks and balances. Fortunately, some other denominations understood this and maintain a council of elders rather then one head honcho.
These are just a few of the MANY things that the UPC, which claims to be followers of the early church apostles have yet to accept. Until that day comes you will not see revival.
3. Pastor Authoritarianism.
On more occasions than I care to even count, Pastors beat their congregation into blind submission of pure obedience. This is not gospel. In fact, I'll go ahead and call this heresy. Pastor (a word mentioned maybe only twice in the entire new testament is LARGELY attributed to mean teacher, not a separate office. Furthermore, elders were called to lead by example. "The head of every man is CHRIST" not his pastor.
When I see people who have experienced God, leave the church in droves, it tells me more about the church than it does the people.
Ask yourselves this critical question: "Is the Reformation over?"
If the Reformation is NOT over then the church would still need to improve upon itself.
If the Reformation is over then the church is already perfected, to which no one in their right mind would claim.
Therefore, the church is still experiencing reformation and demands revisions. Problem is the UPC does not evaluate itself, nor has checks and balances to protect congregations from armchair theologians, and career clergy. Making it impossible to maintain a church body, which is why we are seeing people leaving the church in droves.
But God doesnt need anybody's help. He will raise up his own people and his work will be finished whether theologians like it or not.
Humility is key here. If you are a Christian, you must lay down your pride and be open to allow God to teach you. Isn't that one of the points of having the Holy Spirit? I would be glad to share my experience or discuss any questions or comments anyone might have.
Josh
clockworkjosh@gmail.com
I grew up UPCI and left many years ago, not out of hurt or bitterness but because I felt God lead me in a different direction. Since I was 8 years old I didn't feel the doctrine of dress was right. I watched people walk out if church and be totally different t hurtful people to the world. The same wold we were instructed to save. I struggled with guilt of leaving until one day my neighbor was telling me a story of how God had spoken Theo thwm at a prayer meeting....if my head I immediately thought "God would never speak to you" instantly it was as though God smacked me in the face and He said "why wouldn't I speak to them, they are my children" God doesn't choose just one religion, one way to dress, one lifestyle to make it to heaven. He chooses the heart and I am good with my heart and so is He.
ReplyDeleteI truly wish comments weren't deleted, afyerall, Jesus listened to everyone with respect and love so shouldn't we???
I deleted hateful post. I can't judge you (although I wasn't) but you can get on here and bash all my beliefs bc it's not what you believe. Where is the logic in that. Where is the kindness in that. I couldn't care less if your pentecostal, baptist, methodist, church of God or whatever church you affiliate with. The point Is that you go! This post isn't about certain beliefs it's about belief in general. It's about loving God. It's about living for him. It's not about people or religion or pentecost
DeleteIn response to Terri Callahan, I agree with what you say. I was not brought up apostolic but started going two years ago, and love the church and people but you are right in how some of the apostolic treat people. If you are not born into this religion you are treated different I'm not saying I was treated bad, just different. I never have completely felt as though I truly belonged. For example, the pastor would drop what he was doing to go help others born into this but as for myself that never happened. I had surgery, he never visited. I asked for counseling for my failing marriage, appointments would be scheduled only to be "forgotten" or he would just "no show." Then when I told him I decided to end the marriage because my young son was being mistreated he said he had nothing to say. I tried to get help with the marital problems especially since he is the one who married us. Now, keep in mind I told him in the beginning I wanted to wait to get married but was told we could not continue to live as we were. Note that we were not living together and I was more than willing to remain abstinent and apart from each other. There was no premarital counseling, no counseling during the problems. There were also questions I had about doctrine but I always got a "beat around the bush" answer. For instance if you ask them who Jesus was talking to and praying in the garden the night before he was crucified they will tell you "himself." A person cannot pray to himself. They will not acknowledge that God was God in heaven and Jesus was flesh when he was baptized by John and that the Holy spirit descended like a dove. There was God, Jesus and the Holy spirit all at the same time but they do not see this. A voice spoke from heaven saying "This is my son" not "I am my son." They will have an answer but it doesn't make common sense. There is contradiction in their teaching. They will say they have the truth. So, you ate telling.me that the apostolic faith is the only faith that "has it right?" And everyone else is wrong? That means that anyone who does not believe the way they do is going to hell? But they will say that is not what they are saying. Yes, they are. There is confusion caused because there is never a concrete answer. It's either their way or to hell you will go. How can this be when the gospel if the good news is for all nations. If their way is the only way then they are putting a lot of people in hell. I say dig deep into the word on your own and search the truth then compare it to their doctrine. It doesn't add up. I hope you do not delete this post but allow people to think for themselves and search out the word.
DeleteI didn't bash any of your beliefs.....all I did was say I thought they were wrong for me. Yes, I know you copy and paste your remark but still. Just because someone walks away from what you believe you call them a back slider who needs to be prayed for, that's way more harsh than what I said.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct when you say we cannot live our lives for others, so I stopped. I live my life for God and my children and pray that through the way we live others will come to know God.
Wasn't talking about walking away from what I believe. I was talking about walking away from God in general. If you are living for God then this blog wasn't about you.
DeleteHello to Ally :) thank you so much for putting your testimony out there to minister to who knows how many people. And I can honestly say that I know 100 % where you're coming from... I am a part of The UPCI organization born and raised, and I've had very similar experience. My parents also are/were Sunday School teachers / deacons, and 2 of my 4 brothers Went to Gateway Bible College and married wonderful anointed woman. but as time went on they got discouraged and offended. And at a young age I'd come to the realization that you posted, and I had to make a declaration of my beliefs to myself. And yes a man can be anointed minister, but yet he is still a human and humans make mistakes. so thank you once again for sharing your testimony and reassuring me and I'm not the only one Who gone through something like this. :-) I'm praying for you and your family as well.
ReplyDeletePraise God for u staying in the Truth. god is soon to come. Keep on spreading the Word and praying for those who are lost. May God bless you. Continue to post these uplisting praises and stand for God no matter what people may say or do. God is with you.
ReplyDeleteThere are thousands of ex UPC members who left the church because of bad doctrine. My wife is one that listened to it for 30 years and gradually she started to understand that the red flags flying around her actually were not the devil talking to her but true warning signs.1. Baptismal regeneration has been hashed and rehashed for decades and theologians for the most part agree it is wrong. 2. Speaking in tongues is not the evidence that God gave me the Holy Ghost. 3. Baptizing in the name of Jesus is not something that you say, it's something that you do. Col. 3:17 says to do everything in the name of Jesus. You don't go around saying his name with every breath you take and every step you take. Doing something in the name of Jesus is doing something in his authority. That's why there is no difference in baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost verses baptizing in the name of Jesus. "In the name of" means "by the authority of". They are both the same. You can baptize in Jesus name without saying a word. Just baptize in his name. Baptize by his authority. These doctrines taught by Pentecostals are at odds with all serious Bible students. I urge you to stop calling people backsliders just because they left what you call "the Truth" when it is not truth at all.
ReplyDeleteI guess, you did not read what Ally wrote. Maybe, you should restrain yourself a moment, and read what she wrote. You seam to want a soap box to preach, while all she did is testify her experience and pain.
DeleteI think this person did read what ally wrote. They are simply making a statement of of what they have read to be true. If other are not allowed to post what they believe then don't start a post to begin with. Any time someone goes against what the apostolic say, they are criticized. Maybe you should stop being judgemental. Your post was more critical sounding than the person you responded to. Made yourself look bad to me. You know as well as I do there is so much drama in the Pentecostal church.
DeleteYou are so right, we don't go to church for the people but for the love that we have for God and the relationship we want with HIM, but you also learn to love the people in your church home as your own family and you let them in, but when people such as yourself, make someone feel as if they don't "fit" into the pentecostal mold, or they're not "walking" as they should it does hurt. I personally have met you a couple of times and have been given the cold shoulder by you personally for whatever reason, you never said a word to me but the judgment and odd looks I felt from you as a "baby" in the Lord made me feel so uncomfortable and unwelcome. I can't say you're the same person today but you also have an effect on those around you, knowing or unknowingly, I am not saying you're the reason I'm not in church but its cause of people like you that I don't wish to go back yet...
ReplyDeleteWhen you say you are you talking about me? Because if so I am terribly sorry. It's a complete misunderstanding I assure you. Im sometimes awkward around people I don't know real well, but I promise it was never my intention to give you the cold shoulder or make you feel like you don't fit in. In fact I try really hard to make people feel comfortable around me especially babies in christ because I myself was once a baby in christ. So I'm am sorry if I ignored you or whatever, but I promise I was not judging you or intending to ignore you:( I wish I knew who you were so I could make it up to you.
DeleteI do mean you personally,when I was in church we had mutual "friends" that both grew up with you and went to college with you, honestly none of matters anymore cause at the end of the day you're where you're at and I'm trying to find my way back despite those who I feel have hurt me. I am glad I read your article and maybe I'll see you at camp this year and we'll start off on a better note. Stay blessed honey and know I don't have any hard feelings it was a different time for both of us.
DeleteI don't live in illinois or Florida anymore so I won't be attending camps, but when I did go I was young so you are right it was a very different time for us, but I still apologize and this speaks to the heart of what I was trying to get across. That people will hurt, who knows why, but people are stupid myself included. Since then I've grown up a lot and learned a lot, but nevertheless you can't got to church for people you have to go for God! I'll be praying for you and once again I'm sorry!
Delete1 Timothy 2 11
ReplyDeleteA woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
You're crazy!
DeleteWow! These comments are something else. A lot of people seem to have taken her blog post all out of context.
ReplyDeleteAs an atheist I find these comments hilarious. This just goes to show that all religion is bullshit.
ReplyDeleteReligion yes, God no!
DeleteReligion yes, God no!
DeleteThis is a great blog! The bottom line is this-- There are Christian Soldiers that truly care about the truth. The battle can sometimes turn against us but we must fight on. It will be worth it after all. Ally, I can relate to the pain even though it wasn't my parents turning from God. I went through something similar in my teens. I found out that when your world falls apart Jesus Christ is still there to pick up all the pieces. It is really simple actually. Satan wants our soul and he will do anything God allows to get it. March on!
ReplyDeleteDon't ever give up on your family. Or those you love. Prayer is what gets things done! You know as well as I that Jesus hears us and ,He has a plan ,His ways our never what we expect , because he is so way above and beyond what we could ever comprehend, we can not see the way he sees . he sees the Big picture , as we see only what we want to happen or what we see needs to happen! One journey , especially a journeyBack, may take years, when we leave God grace, many things happen,and we usually fall Pretty far away, so the journey back is and can take a lifetime ...we usually have to be broken, but the broken come back, with a gratefulness and a knowledge of what the world outside of grace and glory are...and serve God with such a grateful heart ,finding what Mercy truly means! Keep praying ! I made it t back ! My mom prayed for me till the day she died...her prayedwere heard and aanswer,unfortunately after she passed,but none the less answered, praise God! Never give up!
ReplyDeleteI am UPCI and I will never go anywhere else...Unless it is GOD who sends me there...I have never know Truth until now. I have been Apostolic since 2008 and have never looked back...I have been to every Denomination and Non-Denominational Church tossed to and fro from every Doctrine...All except a Jewish Synagog, or a Mosk. And God spoke to me right from The Living Word Of God and said to come out of the way your fathers went...Now those Scriptures may have been talking about something else in those days, but God knew I would need to here that when I did...So if God spoke that to me in that manner and the Holy Spirit has officially changed my life and the way that I live, then it was God...To separate ourselves from those things that are not of Him...And None of us will be perfect until He has finished with us...It is a spiritual journey...Jesus said,"In the last days, Offenses will come." It is a great tool of the devil...It is the Bait Of Satan...Seeking to destroy God's Church and take as many souls with him before his time is up...And it is close...Jesus is coming soon...Wake up...There is only One True God...Remember to Assemble together as Jesus taught...There is Power in numbers...and when the Body Of Christ is In One accord...Stop the division...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdMGaH_u7E
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdMGaH_u7E
ReplyDeleteThis guy has a lot of good teachings...
I was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost, walked with God many years, then walked away. I was in a very sinful place when I heard the voice of God say "you have gone far enough, son , its time to come back. I answered that call and now go to the U.P.C in Brunswick Ga. My name is Greg Steele
ReplyDeletegood evening, I will say to you that Jesus was never UPCI.quoting scriptures preaching scriptures that you have no knowledge of to be dangerous. The Bible says that it is sharper than two edged sword. you need to know the history and have the education of the word before you speak it. If you read the scriptures the book of Matthew Mark Luke and John. They are telling you about the life of Christ. The book of Acts is an explanation of how you were filled with the Holy Spirit which is called the comforter. After actually begins with Romans that typically from the book of Romans to the Book of Revelations is a rebuke to the fair ascetical hypocritical church because they didn't know how to get along. the scriptures that the UPCI Church use to state that these are what God is telling others is the cold of holiness is incorrect.if you have knowledge and you read the scriptures you will see that those scriptures were written to the Church of Ephesus of Philip I of Corinth, you will see that those scriptures were written for a purpose because the Gentile church in the Jews could not get along. We are on the outside looking in at a historical event that had a cultural difference between two churches at that particular time. Those were not rule set in the Bible for us. You have to have knowledge of the word before you speak it.there is no link of salvation in the Bible, if you can show me where the link to salvation is on a woman then I will give you a hand clap. If God didn't want us to have facial hair he would have never made it to where would happen God's not ignorant. there is no dress code in the Bible at all. The problem you have with UPCI church is the Scriptures do tell us that if a man even an angel comes out in two were taken away from the Scriptures he's cursed. So you have to be careful with the border lines of being a cult. Brother Stoneking preaching before the UN is not a sign of the end times. I reviewed him and watch what he said and it seemed to me like he just wanted to speak about himself. however I can appreciate the fact that finally after all these years someone from the UPCI church finally got recognized. You should ask yourself why it has taken so long. If we are the church if we are the ones if we are the chosen ones then why is it taking so long? It has nothing to do with you in times it has to do with the way the UPCI church represents itself and it has to do with your opinion of what people have and have seen of the UPCI church. That would tell you that most people that review them see them as fair receptacle hypocritical judgemental people. I was UPC for 24 years my sister has been UPC for 39 years. I am a pastor of a nondenominational church. I will tell you this you don't need to be UPCI to be saved. You just gotta love Jesus. The book of Acts chapter 2 verse 38 - tell us how to be saved. but there is no other place in there that tells us how to dress how to look how to talk and how to walk. However the Scriptures do tell us to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Please, before you preach a message have the knowledge of what it takes to preach it. Understand the cultural events that are occurring in the Bible. Because this is the only way you're going to be able to really teach the Scriptures. So do what it says, study to show yourself approved a woman that needs not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. God bless
ReplyDeleteplease forgive some of the misspelled I was talking into my phone at a store.
ReplyDeleteWhat a beautiful expression of Gods mighty power& Love to Someone that may be dealing with backsliding or being hurt by Christians Come back to the church.there are still good people there.I'm a walking talking witness!!!Pray & ask God to put those genuine loving kind people in your life He will do it.Anything is possible with Him!!! Set ur sights high. He did it for me I know he can do it for us all.Jesus is coming back soon enough.be prepared.
ReplyDeleteMy! My! What can I say? However, to be saved, you will need a Pastor to preach the Word....and you will need to try your best to love others, to have a forgiving spirit and faith in your heart.
ReplyDeleteDo you consider "backsliding" to be anyone who leaves the UPC in general? I left years ago...and I attend a church now that actually believes in grace, love and following the word. I am closer to Christ now than I could have ever hoped to be by staying in a UPC environment with people who are confused about what it really means to be a loving, intelligent, Christian. Ask yourself how many UPC pastors actually have a degree in anything. Most are self proclaimed ministers who aren't educated or even kind. I hope that your parents can find a church home with good people who will love them back to Christ and I hope you can be ok with it when they don't go back to a self righteous UPC environment.
ReplyDeleteUm... Peter was a fisherman. Pretty sure he didn't have a degree. We are all called to be witnesses. Last time I checked everyone was human. We make mistakes... we have bad days... and yes sometimes we are not kind to each other. Thank GOD for forgiveness and mercy which is what is is all about. If you are looking for a perfect church and find one... please don't join... you will mess it up. :) (in case you didn't get the joke... there is no perfect church)
DeleteI was raised UPC. I left the organization in my early 20's and faith as a whole by 25 years old. Now pushing 40 I am slowly reintroducing myself to faith, though a very different version than I was raised under.
ReplyDeleteI find it a bit offputting that so many people in the UPC seem to think that the most common reason anyone leaves is because they were "hurt" or some such. The vast majority of people that leave do so because they come to see the theological fundamentals that are espoused by the basic doctrines taught to be seriously flawed in a great many ways.
Everything from the tendency to lean towards seeing faith as a mechanism to get favorable treatment from God to the rather arbitrary and often historically unfounded dress codes. These also point toward one of the other real problems I had with typical Pentecostalism. The embarrassing lack of any serious scholarship among the leadership. Outside of a few very stilted and biased opinion mills (which included a number of the high profile Pentecostal "theological" institutions) there was a complete lack of any real understanding or study of the history and context of ANY of the scriptural texts. (I grew up in St Louis and rubbed shoulders with a mess of the heavy hitters in the UPCI) Taking individual texts and creating entire subdoctrines with no regard whatsoever to any kind of understanding of the contextual information surrounding them was so common it was practically a cliche!
I find myself espousing a much simpler doctrine and theological outlook than I saw in Pentecostalism these days. We all see as through a glass darkly, it is a shame that some want to claim that they see things so incredibly clearly....
I was molested in a UPC church as a child. The pastor covered it up. When it was brought higher up within the organization nothing was done. I have a problem going to churches because of that. I know we are not suppose to question GOD but I have asked why that happened and where was he when it happened. I still believe in GOD and have a love for GOD. I live with that every day of my life. Sometimes when people say they were hurt it may be a little more than someone hurting their feelings. I still believe what the UPC preaches just have a hard time going to church.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry you had this happen to you. It is not okay for someone to have to live with those types of scars.
DeleteMy pastor stole money from my family. So, yes people are human but when you try to approach someone about their wrong doings, pastor of not and people attack you and tell you you're going to hell for questioning a man of God, you know your church has bigger issues.
I respect your blog, and your beliefs, and I am honestly cringing every time someone says "Ally, you're young!" Who cares if she's young. She's still entitled to say what she wants!
Hello. May I suggest that the author is absolutely correct in many (most) of her declarations. GOD is absolutely righteous & unchanging and loves us as no one else ever can. His love was so great for us that, while we were yet sinners, HE shed HIS own blood as atonement to forgive all sin (Jesus).
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, "religion" is the dividing line. The Baptists, the Catholics, the Pentecosts, the Lutherans, (fill in your fav) divide the flocks based on dogma. Each one will point to their particular Bible scripture and say, "See - we are the only church. We have the only correct pathway to GOD." The problem with this is that all can't be right. In fact, it is clearly wrong that any man (or church) has a unique path to GOD. In order to bolster their position as righteous, the "dirty little secrets" are kept secret so as not to impact the greater church. This, frankly, is PRIDE. Lucifer had it. We, regretfully, have it as well.
In order to find out what GOD's plan for man is - one needs to go to the Holy Bible (KJV is probably the best IMO). What does GOD say? My reading of the Bible (not just the "go to" verses) is that my sin debt was paid for by Jesus. Not just the sin prior to salvation - ALL SIN. When Jesus said, "It is finished." I believe HIM. As the song says, Jesus paid it all. Stop worrying about what GOD's plan for your life is... Find out what GOD's plan is and get your life in it. It isn't about YOU. It is about HIM.
So, if SIN is not the issue - what is? What keeps us from GOD and enjoying GOD's plan? Frankly - it is us. We think by doing this or that - we can add to GOD's work (our pride). We think that we can somehow deserve GOD's love if we keep the commandments (we won't), attend church on schedule (we won't), get baptized, pay tithes, (fill in your own "I must xxx" here). We'll fail. We're all sinners. We cannot add ANYTHING by ANY WORK we do to improve what GOD has already accomplished at the cross. Our prideful efforts, however noble, can only dilute and take away from GOD's glory, making GOD a debtor to us (read Paul).
So, what keeps us from GOD? Disbelief & dogma. Believe GOD (not man). Trust GOD (not the church). Study HIS word (not the specific church rules / dogma).
In closing, we're ALL BACKSLIDERS in the respect that we can somehow be perfected by a church. Only through GOD are we perfected. Not by any works of man, least any man boast. Our perfection is not of our own doing. No amount of singing, praising, worshiping, tithing, praying, will get you any more "perfected" that GOD has already declared you are. Consequently no amount of backsliding, sinning, etc. will ever remove you from HIS hand. GOD is faithful. We are not.
Believe in GOD and HIS word. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
/RMB
1 COR 15: 1-4 (my favorite "go to" verse) - ha
Last commentary from my part Ally ... Don't outsource your salvation! Don't depend on any priest / pastor / rabbi / chaplain to tell you what you need to know. You have the responsibility to understand GOD's word - not just study the Cliff notes and hope you get it right. You can outsource someone to cut your grass or maybe do some painting around your house. THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT! This is eternity. There is no do-over.
ReplyDeleteThe above post reads STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of TRUTH. That means you'll have to not just read the Bible - but to STUDY the Bible. Who is speaking? Who are they speaking to (Nation of Israel? Gentiles?) What is the context? What came before? What follows? What does the original Hebrew / Greek text actually mean (English is defective insofar as a 1:1 understanding sometimes....).
/RMB
Ally, my path as a child/teen was very similar to yours. Be encouraged. God has a mighty plan for you! It's been 30 years since my family and pastor left truth... But God was faithful and I have a had a blessed life... know I will be praying for you!
ReplyDeleteNot all who wander are lost. I willingly started attending a upc church when I turned 16 and kept going until I was 29. I was a Sunday school teacher for 5 years and taught bible study to the junior high class for 2 years. My husband was the youth leader for a year at the very end. We ended up leaving after our former pastor was severely verbally and spiritually abusive to us, to the point that I ended up on anti-depressive meds and in counseling. However, just because we no longer attend any kind of church does not necessarily mean we are lost or hell-bound. We still love God. We still believe certain upc doctrines. However, without hearing a preached message means we have had to study more for ourselves, which also means that we have learned more for ourselves and truly understand scripture better than before. I have also discovered that I don't necessarily believe that the standards set forth by the upc for women are necessary. I believe modesty is necessary, however I don't believe I'm going to hell for wearing a pair of pants, a necklace or paint my fingernails. I believe we all need to work out salvation for ourselves by thorough study and reading of the Bible.
ReplyDeleteAt this point in my life, I don't plan on joining another church of any denomination. We still have family that are heavily involved in the church we left. We did try and go back to that church after the former pastor was forced to resign after it cane out that he physically abused his wife. People who we used to be close to and we considered close friends, shyed away from talking to us and couldn't care less that we had been abused. No one wanted to hear what we went through. All anyone wanted to believe was that we walked away for a time and we're "back slid" (even though at that time, we hadn't changed any of our ways of thinking). They saw and believed what they wanted.
My point in saying that is to point out that yes, people leave because they're hurt. But no one knows the impact that hurt has on the person's psyche. No one but me knows the state of my heart, besides God. God can heal a broken heart, but one doesn't have to be sitting in a pew for that to happen. God is everywhere. There doesn't have to be music and dancing for God to move. Healing takes a lot of forms and for me, that means studying at my own pace and praying as I feel led to. It took a long time before I could even look at a bible because it opened an already gaping wound. It took a long time to be able to utter a prayer. I wasn't punishing God, but until you've had a panic attack at the thought of doing those things, you won't understand. So for now, I'm taking my time and healing in my own way. I believe God understands. He knows the state of my heart and He knows what it takes for me to be whole again. All I'm asking is that before you assume someone is back slid, stop and think that you probably don't know the whole story. Please don't judge the person.
I'll start by saying that I respect your faith, and your commitment to honor God with a righteous lifestyle. I was introduced to the upc as a girl of fifteen, I believed in Jesus but was searching for more of His Love. After a long night of AMAZING worship I recived the gift of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues for the first time. The youth pastor invited me to be baptized and I was. It was an unforgettable beautiful crazy night and I cherish its memory. I committed to the church after that, following standards, shunning my old lifestyle. I wanted to be in church anytimes that the doors were open. I couldn't get enough. But after almost two years of pressing in, obeying, learning, and seeking I was still very broken inside and I needed more. It wasn't because anyone hurt me, or offended me, it wasn't because I had issues with leadership. I left the UPC church because Holy Spirit told me to. It was painful. The Lord led me to a non denominational Christian church that was equipped to walk me through the healing I needed to grow closer to him. Now that I'm older and stronger in my faith, like a few of the others on this forum, I have some doctrine issues with the UPC. But I still love and respect those that cling to it. It's just not where Father God wanted me to be. I am not a backslider. I'm a beautiful daughter of the King, just like you.
ReplyDelete"But here is the thing we aren't supposed to be "Christian" for people.
ReplyDeleteWe are supposed to choose this life for God and God alone.
Believe me, I know from experience, if you live for God and not for people your life will be far less stressful and far more blessed.
People are hypocrites. God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
People hurt you. God heals you.
People offend you. God defends you.
People abandon you. God will never leave your side."
I'm glad I read your blog and I do agree about the phrase copied above. I don't go to church, or join bible studies or listen to sermons BUT I do read the bible and I believe in God. Every time I open it to read, I always pray that the Lord give me understanding to his words the way He meant it.
Well, you removed my comments, which I thought were rather tame...Iron sharpens iron-I find it sad that many in the UPC have a difficult time discussing things w those who have left. I would suggest a reading of Galations is in order-it's Grace, Grace, Grace, not rules, rules and more rules...when He said 'it is finished', He meant it-to add a host of other requirements to salvation...well, ck out Paul's response to the Church in Galations.
ReplyDeleteOur "rules" as you say are not a part of our salvation. Any well grounded pentecostal person will tell you it's not a heaven or hell issue. We follow it one out of obedience two bc we have a relationship with God and we feel convicted to do so. If you don't follow it we aren't going to condemn you to hell or judge you. That's between you and God. Years ago, and some older more traditional pentecostal folks, the Upc was strict and very judgmental, but it's not like that at most places. They still believe in holiness standards and still preach it, but they aren't going to condemn you, judge you or kick you out. In most cases you will find they are going to love you with all the love in their heart and show you the truth, show you the plan of salvation which is found in acts. Is it like this everywhere sadly no, but just about every church Ive been to is so they do exist. And it's how it should be. Standards are a matter of the heart. Who are we as people to control that. This isn't a cult we don't force people do anything they don't want to.
DeleteCouldn't agree with you [Ally] more! Grace cannot be mistaken for "do whatever you want because God will forgive you". It's quite the opposite.... Grace raises the bar, it raises the standards. It went from do not commit murder to do not even THINK about doing it.... If there were no rules, we wouldn't need a God "Anonymous".
DeleteGod bless you Sis. I've seen "falling" away also. Keep your head up and yourself in the LORD. You will be happy you did. Yes, we cannot really depend on anyone other that God to teach us and hang onto Him. Lots of relationships we will maintain, others have to go by the wayside. I feel bad for you about your parents. The point is: you keep on doing what you are doing and stay focused on your education and the things that will make you better. Don't be too focused on other people. Ask the LORD to lead you. It is especially important to forgive people as the LORD has directed us. It does not mean that it is okay what they do to us, or they we accept what they do, it is that we will not have a chip on our shoulder, we can be mad about it before the LORD and be free to talk to others about their behavior and tell them how it makes us feel. The thing we have that the unsaved don't have is JESUS. Go ahead and forgive them. If you want, you can tell them that you still love them even though this is the choice you are making. Do not be mad at them because Jesus wouldn't want you to. They may just have other things going on and they are devoting themselves to those things. It does not mean that the LORD has left them. Sometimes people can't stay in full time ministry type stuff because there are other things in life that we must attend to and sometimes we are in times of healing and other things that the LORD must do alone with us. The best thing is to forgive them and keep your heart lovely. Hating other people for what they do or don't do is how our heart gets stained. Don't do it. Life has to be lived and going to church all the time isn't always what needs to be done. Sometimes we have to get out and "live" it. Anyway, I feel your pain because my Mom when I was little brought me to church. Eventually we stopped going. My parents got divorced and then I think my Mom just felt too bad about it all to get with church people (and besides some church people can be pretty ugly)<<<but not us<<<<****+. Anyway, the WORD was with me. She showed me the bible and it was no turning back for me. No matter what..the LORD had his mark on me!!!! I went through all kinds of horrible stuff but the word of GOD did not leave me!!!!! He was with me in the pit of hell and everything!!!!!! The best thing to do is forgive your parents and anyone who has done you wrong. They are still your parents whether they go to church love the "world" or whatever. Respect them for who they are, do not nag them,secretly pray for them, do good things for them and respect them. Do not be a Christian who is "against the world". These are just principles we know about. Do not hold it against anyone else. It is like precious jewels inside of you. Let the world be the world and you be you. Keep your side of the street clean. Also know that GOd has given you your own GPS system (a good mind) but you must learn from your parents. Be careful of church folk. They are just like other people in the world. Do not reveal all of yourself to anyone. I mean...do not tell everyone your secrets and so forth. Enjoy yourself and don't be too afraid but get wisdom and education. Being educated is extremely important. Making money and getting a college degree and associating with people who are doing good things. People can only love you so much. Sometimes they turn off or get ugly. Trust in JESUS and he will lead you. Okay then;. see you later little Sis. Don't let all the hurts lead you out into the world to do bad things. Keep climbing the ladder GOd has given you. See if you can get a professional Christian Counselor to talk to. Pastors are church aren't always the best...they can preach but can't always counsel.
ReplyDeleteHello my sister in the Lord. What you say is sooo true and to be blunt. What is the reason people go to church? Is it for the people or because they LOVE the word of God and want to serve Him with everything. Are they luke warm or HOT for Jesus. Are their hearts in the church fully or are their hearts in the world. I have been offended by people in the church and even my pastor has stepped on my toes but I LOVE the truth (John 3:5-8, Mark 16:16 &17, Acts 2, 8, 10 & 19) and holiness (without holiness, no man shall see God). If I am praying and getting to a place where I REALLY touch God, I speak in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance and follow the convictions of His Spirit...including how I dress, what I do and what I listen to. The Bible says that His Spirit and the Word agree. If I am in the Spirit, I will go to a church that preaches the above gospel and also follows holiness. I will not forsake the assembling of God's people and will go to church to grow STRONG in the faith by hearing the sent man of God (the Preacher) who preaches the faith...ALL of Jesus' & the apostles doctrine --who commanded others to do in obedience to Christ. Regarding holiness, Jesus Himself stood for it and walked and talked the life along with how to be saved. If a person does not want to do so, they are not totally sold out to God. Sister thank you for your post and keep doing what you are doing. Continue your walk and continue drawing closer to Jesus...so much more as the end times approach. Our Jesus Christ is soon to come for his SPOTLESS & HOLY bride, washed in his blood through his name...having her sins remitted. His bride will have her lamps wick trimmed and it will be FULL of oil which is the Holy Ghost. She WILL have a repentant spirit and will be LIVING the life through his Spirit and according to the word!
ReplyDeleteContinue to be the hands & feet of Jesus...being a light and reaching for souls.
God Bless you Ally! Sister Cheryl
Sister Cheryl, so very well said! I have a heart that is just on fire for the Lord and it is why I attend church. I also agree when I get into prayer and I am getting to that place where I really touch God I also begin to speak in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance and I listen to the convictions and fall into and remain in strict obedience to Him, from the clothes I wear, what I listen to and how my day will be spent. I have had days where I will spend countless hours dwelling in His Presence speaking in tongues and allowing Him to perform the work He needs to on me and in me. May God bless you abundantly sister!!! Brother Michael
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ReplyDeleteBut this is for ally
THANK YOU
Yep! I had to share this on my blog.... Here's the URL to check it out https://inanewplace.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/my-thoughts-exactly/
ReplyDeleteI commend you for sounding a very important alarm and for exhibiting a true watch[woman] on the wall! This is a serious topic that we are seeing come to pass every single day and NOTHING is being done about it! You go girl! Glad to call you a SISTER IN CHRIST!!!
Thank you for noting that it was not God that hurt you. There are too many people who are leaving the truth and using as an excuse that they were "hurt". If Satan can realize that you being "hurt" will cause you to leave the truth he will make sure that somehow, someway, you get "hurt". The truth is you became bitter. Please understand that bitterness is not the sin of the offender it is the sin of the offended. Pray and ask God's forgiveness for you being bitter. If you walked away from truth get the bitterness out of your heart and get back in church and let's go to heaven together. We are living in an age when people do not want to hear the truth. They want to do anything they want to and still go to heaven. It won't happen. If the preacher steps on your toes. Line up with the word of God. Too many people hear the Word and it "hurts" their feelings when they feel conviction in their life so they leave and blame the church or the people. The truth is most of the time they need to find an altar and repent of their sins and get right with God and they won't be offended all the time. I have said enough. I don't want to "hurt" anyone feelings.
ReplyDeleteJust discovered your blog! You have a great testimony! Keep up the good work :)
ReplyDeleteJust to share my experience with UPC. Most of my extended family are penecostal.As a teenager,I also was pentecostal.One year in a christian school I can honestly say that I didnt fit in.I too felt like that since I wasnt a elders child that I just didnt feel good enough.I too felt that I was looked down upon.But,I have to say even now I still feel intimidated after over 30 yrs.But,its okay.Ya know why? I still love my extended family and hope they know and can see that even though I do not attend anymore,I have turned out alright along with my husband and kids.So my two cents about this is no matter what you go through just do as God and your heart leads you. :)
ReplyDeleteYou have a great testimony but my heart hurts that your parents raised you for God but started looking back. Please remind them that nothing in Florida can compare with what God has in store for them. Keep up the good work.
ReplyDeleteI needed this and didn't know it. I thank you from deep within.
ReplyDeleteI recently gotten out of a relationship with someone who's in the church over something that I was knew I was doing wrong. I stopped going to church because I'm afraid of what everyone is going to think about me and what things that were said about me. I started doing things that I used to do before I got baptized in Jesus' name and since then life hasn't been the same. I've said hurtful things, cussed, drank, gone out to clubs, and I realized that all those things has made me feel so empty and alone. There was something that my mother told me that stuck with me. She said "If you believe that God lead you to that church, you need to go back. Don't let that particular person be the reason you're not going to church. You go to church to get the Word that God has for you. You need a spiritual covering over your life." Should I go back?
ReplyDeleteAs someone who left the UPC and church in general, I have never come across anyone who left because they felt like they were hurt by church people, though this is something that is leveled against most at some point. Every, single person I have ever met that left the UPC or Christianity in general, left because they simply found they no longer believed in the core doctrines for one reason or another. Simple as that. You call it "truth", but the fact is, it is your opinion of what is true. Others sometimes simply find they come to different conclusions.
ReplyDeleteAlly, I enjoyed reading your blog and I understood why you came to your conclusions. I will preface my comments with this. I have been Apostolic Pentecostal my entire life. Baptized in Jesus’ name at 6 and received the Holy Ghost at 7. My parents and grandfathers are and were Apostolic Pentecostal. Today, we still believe in Acts 2:38 salvations and the power that resides in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. However, we have ALL evolved in our relationship with the Lord and the Lord has matured our understanding of His Word. The Bible does not change. God’s Word does not change. The difficulty with the UPCI is this… the organization has not evolved in its thinking …. There is a difference between BIBLE DOCTRINE and TRADITION. And because MANY UPCI churches are stuck in their tradition and cannot distinguish the difference between doctrine and tradition some people will not come into our churches to be saved and miss the Truth of Bible salvation. This is unfortunate. You got to come to the realization that God has not given your church/denomination a monopoly on salvation. God is moving all over this world and touching the hearts and minds of people in ways that you are not able to comprehend. Do not put God in a box. There are people who are not UPCI who are receiving the Holy Ghost and God is giving them the revelation of baptism in Jesus. We can be confident that God will direct and order their steps into all truth because his Word says so…
ReplyDeleteEveryone is not going to come through the doors of the UPCI. With this being said, the UPCI also does not have a complete understanding of scripture on every single topic. I attend a UPCI church, but I have also been a part of other Apostolic denominations. I have issues with all of them. PAW, too liberal, compromises… PCAF… stuck in tradition…, lost focus on evangelism… COOLJC… and my personal thoughts go on.
I love all of David Bernard’s book (except the ones on Practical Holiness) People should be encouraged to genuinely seek a relationship with God…and if they do it with sincerity of heart…
Internally, as perfect as the organization wants to believe it is. There are still racial issues that exist that stem back to the 1940s… There issues that exist today… The lesson was always supposed to be modesty, but because our leaders think wearing a long dress or skirt is the only way to be modest – it has become our tradition. And that is just it, it is tradition, but the Gospel or Bible doctrine. I will go as far as to say, “YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A PERSON ON THE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRE TO BE SAVED! IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE NOT TO TRIM YOUR HAIR…. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS… If African American, Spanish…etc. do not trim their ends periodically your hair will break off and look unhealthy. If it is your glory, take care of it….”
I am wise enough and smart enough to recognize that the picture is bigger than the box the UPCI tries to place God in. I am UPCI and I respect leadership; however, my life, my God, my Bible, and my relationship with God leads me to believe there is more.
Even though I attend a UPCI church, I am not excited about my church. What keeps me moving is my relationship with God? Just like you said, God is faithful. Sometimes, our organization can be a stumbling block to people and they either go elsewhere or if they truly want to be saved they look past some of the idiocies and see CHRIST. If Apostolics are not careful, they will consciously think that their salvation is maintained by works and not grace. If Apostolics are not careful, many do become self-righteous. I have seen it… I, too, am from the Midwest… in college – I attended a UPCI church (only Apostolic church available)… disliked it…. But attended… Grew up PAW … relocated after college PCAF (loved it), PAW… loved it… but they lost evangelism focus… modesty in all forms went out the window… then I moved to the Tampa area… and the dominate growing UPCI church resembles a cult. I believe in Acts 2:38… It is clearly said if you aren’t with them and their group --- every prophet in the city is a false prophet, etc. (TOO EXTREME on many fronts)… and YES in many circles - they are self-righteous just like the Pharisees and lack the ability to love like Jesus… Before people ever know the doctrine (not tradition and man-made rules)… they should be able to see the love of Christ generating from the lives should.
ReplyDeleteAll this to say… FAITH IS GOD and RELATIONSHIP with God is bigger than our limited understanding… Just because a person walks away from the UPCI does not mean than they are walking away from God… FYI